Author Topic: PUTP Sales (Read 23462 times)

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #40 on:** October 08, 2015, 11:03:18 PM »

You know, reading this thread now it actually makes more sense why she toured with Rob Thomas and Brad Paisley. It was annoying with the way the Rob Thomas tour was advertised especially because we Jewel fans were told it was a co-headlining tour while Rob Thomas fans were told she was opening for him, and it turned out his people were pretty much right. Having only an hour of Jewel, or less with Brad Paisley, just didn't seem worth it at the time.

I went to the Nashville Rob Thomas show and I still call that my first half Jewel concert, not whole one.

And now she mostly tours solo. Do you guys think she'll ever tour fully with a band again? Or is that like, out of the question now?

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #41 on:** October 08, 2015, 11:57:58 PM »

Quote from: codepoet on October 07, 2015, 09:19:01 PM

And, it was so weird seeing old albums from like when I was a kid (like AC/DC Back in Black) on there. I guess people just aren't really doing the whole listening to music thing any more? What the heck are all the kids listening to on those head phones that they're always wearing? Or is it all just pirated, these days?

I just find these numbers amazing. How does anyone in music still have a job?

Streaming is the BIG big thing now. Spotify alone has 75 million+ users so between them, Apple music, Google Play, YouTube etc. people have a lot of ways to listen to music rather cheaply. How much they really hurt or help is debatable because some artists wouldn't be discovered without them, but as we can see from this thread there are more established artists such as Jewel who don't really benefit that much. It's still all about popularity, and if you're not as popular then you'll have a hard time making any money.

As for how people in the industry still make money, have you seen any music videos in the last 5 years or so? There are ads galore. Beats music products, that round lip gloss, cell phones etc. It's funny because Jewel was criticized 12 years ago for partnering with Schick, but nowadays advertising in music videos is the thing to do. I guess she was just ahead of the times.

Nobody · « **Reply #42 on:** October 09, 2015, 07:24:12 AM »

You kind of have to separate being an artist and what you do for a living. Jewel does other things to bring in money. Sponsorships (Swiffer, what the hell is the sweetener...), those things bring in a consitent paycheck as long as they're using your image or _____ that you allowed them to use to sell their product. As long as they do, they owe you a percentage that was pre-agreed upon.

A musician that can get a song picked up for a soundtrack can make a good income on one song.

She also writes, and is an artist. So any type of collected or written work could work for her. But anyone that shares a copyright with her,gets a piece.

The struggle for all artists is always the same. Doing what you love, doing what you have to do because not creating feels like dying, and then figurinnng out how much to sell or not sell out. It sucks the life out of everything....and the people that do nothing that look to cash in. Be it promoter, manager, or even fan. Everyone wants their piece.

Jessica · « **Reply #43 on:** October 09, 2015, 07:42:51 AM »

fun. never got anywhere until they were in that car commercial and they were an amazing band.

Nobody · « **Reply #44 on:** October 09, 2015, 07:53:30 AM »

Quote from: Jessica on October 09, 2015, 07:42:51 AM

fun. never got anywhere until they were in that car commercial and they were an amazing band.

Who?

Jessica · « **Reply #45 on:** October 09, 2015, 08:04:24 AM »

Nobody · « **Reply #46 on:** October 09, 2015, 08:06:38 AM »

Ah. Got it.

you kids and your new music.

Jessica · « **Reply #47 on:** October 09, 2015, 08:15:24 AM »

I preferred their first album, but the second one is the one that made it (above.) It's very theatrical music.

They're a local act, so that's a big reason why I'm so familiar with them and The Format - fun.'s first incarnation with Nate Ruess.

Mr. Joe · « **Reply #48 on:** October 09, 2015, 02:33:22 PM »

Quote from: SMP on October 09, 2015, 08:06:38 AM

Ah. Got it.

you kids and your new music.

I am enjoying the banter between you two, (SMP & Jessica)

Fernando · « **Reply #49 on:** October 09, 2015, 08:14:07 PM »

Quote from: Angel Eyes on October 08, 2015, 11:03:18 PM

And now she mostly tours solo. Do you guys think she'll ever tour fully with a band again? Or is that like, out of the question now?

Nah... I think that's done. Cause you gotta pay the band... and the crew, equipment set up, travel, etc. And the band has to learn the songs and you have to practice.... and Jewel can't remember her own songs so there'd be no one to teach the band and she'd have to get EDA's to do it over Twitter.

Plus, at least the shows I've been to recently were having a really hard time selling. Even Alanis has been having a hard time selling shows. She commended at one about how many empty seats there were at the beginning of one in a major city.

I think artists need to move beyond that model. One artist I really love, Jenny Owen Youngs, does a lot of StageIt shows and she seems to do really well. Basically, all the hard core fans show up no matter what because it's over a webcam. So, you're not going to a city and getting a few hardcore fans and just like random people that had nothing to do or felt a little nostalgic but really aren't that into the show. Plus, StageIt has a chat room so you can talk to all the other fans during the show and get to know them.
Getting Jewel to do a StateIt would be awesome.

I think that music festivals, like they do in Germany, would be really great too. Because, it's fun just to go some place for a weekend and you could get a bunch of artist from the same era (like Jewel, Alanis, Tori, Rob Thomas, etc, etc.) and you're not like squeezed in with a crowd of drunk people and blinded by like a million cell phones. You can relax and sit on a blanket and have some wine and snacks. (haha snacks auto-corrected to snakes and I was like OMG a snake at one of those would be Pandemonium!

)

I think concerts are kinda going the way of the CD, though. I have been kinda dating this 23 y/o and I suggested we go to a concert at a local theatre in NH that has tons of shows and I got looked at like I was crazy... and, of course, the response was "we could just hang out here and watch one on YouTube".

Fernando · « **Reply #50 on:** October 09, 2015, 08:32:34 PM »

haha and here are a couple funny videos about those damn kids today that one of my friends sent me to give me a hard time when I complained about the concert/youtube thing:

The first one is about youtube... lol. But, the second one is so accurate about icons... that generation has like hardly any stars or great movies or anything. It is all just corporate stuff (2nd and 3rd time remakes and comic book franchise movies and mostly pretty bad pop music). I always thought it was a bit of a pendulum and things would swing back away from pop and rap and we'd get more singer/songwriters like Alanis/Jewel and bands like Nirvana... but I don't think so any more. After watching the millennials go through their prime music years I think we've gotten all we're gonna get in terms of music/movies/art from them. More pop and rap to come.

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #51 on:** October 09, 2015, 11:58:59 PM »

Quote from: codepoet on October 09, 2015, 08:14:07 PM

Quote from: Angel Eyes on October 08, 2015, 11:03:18 PM
And now she mostly tours solo. Do you guys think she'll ever tour fully with a band again? Or is that like, out of the question now?

Nah... I think that's done. Cause you gotta pay the band... and the crew, equipment set up, travel, etc. And the band has to learn the songs and you have to practice.... and Jewel can't remember her own songs so there'd be no one to teach the band and she'd have to get EDA's to do it over Twitter.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I figure, except I'm sure she can still teach the band her songs. It just takes more time to practice and more money for the band members and equipment and such, and she might not want to do all of that anytime soon. I actually read one interview with Rob Zombie a few months ago who mentioned that his tour setup is SO expensive compared to Jewel who only has her guitar, so with big acts such as his it's never really something you think about. She's lucky in that case since she can tour cheap in comparison.

Quote from: codepoet on October 09, 2015, 08:32:34 PM

I always thought it was a bit of a pendulum and things would swing back away from pop and rap and we'd get more singer/songwriters like Alanis/Jewel and bands like Nirvana... but I don't think so any more. After watching the millennials go through their prime music years I think we've gotten all we're gonna get in terms of music/movies/art from them. More pop and rap to come.

Man, I hope not. I've been thinking the last year or so how there hasn't been a good rock era in a while, so if one of these popular artists tries to put out a rockish album then hopefully, maybe, there will be at least a small resurgence. Music in general has been so freaking stale.

Simon · « **Reply #52 on:** October 11, 2015, 04:14:14 AM »

Don Henley recently stated that albums are now merely a promotional tool for touring, as there's so little money to be made from them (if any at all). And when you think about how many units he's still selling - both present day and back catalogue - it's somewhat daunting to think what lesser-known artists are earning.

Comments like his really makes it seem as if the music industry is dying out. If it's not financially viable, and if artists can't make a decent living out of it, then it simply isn't going to happen. The incarnation of streaming services has sped this up exponentially, and for that reason (and countless others), I won't go near them.

Simon · « **Reply #53 on:** October 11, 2015, 04:18:26 AM »

Whilst I'm at it, I'll mention that I find it slightly odd that PUTP still isn't released in the UK, and it won't be until the end of the month. I always heard that a long gap was slightly risky, because some people seek out illegal downloads if they can't access it straight away. And you'd think that, with iTunes making it very easy to distribute music globally on the same day, they'd just release it here too. Can't think it will chart particularly high here, as surely most fans will have already ordered a copy from the US?

There's no indication of any bonus tracks to sweeten the deal, either.

Jessica · « **Reply #54 on:** October 12, 2015, 07:04:42 AM »

Yeah, the release date differences are a bit outdated. Anyone know why this is still happening?

It kind of made sense in ye olde days with shipments and all that, but now, I don't understand why it happens.

Nobody · « **Reply #55 on:** October 12, 2015, 08:07:31 AM »

Quote from: Simon on October 11, 2015, 04:14:14 AM

Don Henley recently stated that albums are now merely a promotional tool for touring, as there's so little money to be made from them (if any at all). And when you think about how many units he's still selling - both present day and back catalogue - it's somewhat daunting to think what lesser-known artists are earning.

Comments like his really makes it seem as if the music industry is dying out. If it's not financially viable, and if artists can't make a decent living out of it, then it simply isn't going to happen. The incarnation of streaming services has sped this up exponentially, and for that reason (and countless others), I won't go near them.

I think older artists (and I was going to scratch that and say established, but sadly, it is - older), whose fan base is also older -- release albums and CDs for us. Stevie Nicks, had simialr comments to Henley's about the music industry and she put out a record because she wanted to make music and she went on and on, but the gist was the same. Blackmore's Night, actually polled their fans on social media and asked what format they liked most for buying new music. Because, that is how they would release.

I have no idea why the delay in release dates. I know Blackmore's Night released in the UK first, but I think their distributor is UK based. I don't know. I haven't gotten around to buying the new CD yet.

rant:
It's all in the crapper. The music and movie industry, as we know it, is going, going, almost gone. In 10 years (give or take), it will be a completely different animal and we'll all be sitting around with our "remember when stories." /rant

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #56 on:** October 15, 2015, 05:05:26 AM »

And now she's completely off the charts. Oh well. I guess 3 weeks was ok.

Fabio · « **Reply #57 on:** January 20, 2016, 04:06:36 PM »

Hey guys!

Fun fact here!

Jewel's PUTP itunes position:

iTunes:
#54 Bahrain
#78 Cape Verde

http://kworb.net/itunes/artist/jewel.html

So it's doing well in these countries!

Nobody · « **Reply #58 on:** January 21, 2016, 07:44:31 AM »

Amazing, considering the screw ups with the shipping internationally.

Jessica · « **Reply #59 on:** January 21, 2016, 07:54:29 AM »

That's unexpected.