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Re: PUTP Sales
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2015, 06:05:57 PM »
It's official: Picking Up The Pieces is #18 on the album sales chart and #28 on the top 200. Still alright considering the promo. :)

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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2015, 03:28:58 AM »
That's pretty good. Imagine what a major label could have done.

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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2015, 05:51:26 AM »
Wow. Not bad at all.

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2015, 07:24:33 AM »
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That is pretty badass, for indie and not a lot of promo.

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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2015, 12:21:46 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2015, 04:27:42 PM »
 :woohoo:

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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2015, 04:35:14 PM »
Such great news No.1, and we couldn't gang up on a website and skew the results.  :hide: :blush:
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Re: PUTP Sales
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2015, 01:10:35 AM »
She dropped down to #129 on the Top 200 and #61 on the album sales chart. She'll most likely be out of the Top 200 next week, but that was expected.

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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2015, 10:05:56 PM »
Wow for an artist like Jewel there really is little money in the music. I wonder if all the preorders on her website were counted toward the sales, wouldn't have made much difference in the end

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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2015, 02:37:37 AM »
Now she's at #172 on the Top 200 and #82 for album sales.

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« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2015, 04:12:26 AM »
Hangin' on for one more week!  :rock:

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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2015, 02:02:23 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2015, 09:19:01 PM »
Wow for an artist like Jewel there really is little money in the music. I wonder if all the preorders on her website were counted toward the sales, wouldn't have made much difference in the end

I was thinking about this, too, while reading this post. I heard artists make like $1 an album sale (and that was in the mid 2000's IIRC). So, $32K for S&W and like $12K for PUTP.

Wow! I have a company that owes me somewhere around $12K for consulting r/n and I haven't billed them yet because I just haven't been able to get myself motivated to do all the paperwork for the invoice for that amount of money.

And, it was so weird seeing old albums from like when I was a kid (like AC/DC Back in Black) on there. I guess people just aren't really doing the whole listening to music thing any more? What the heck are all the kids listening to on those head phones that they're always wearing? Or is it all just pirated, these days?

I still buy like 5 albums a year.... which is about what I bought when I was a kid.

I just find these numbers amazing. How does anyone in music still have a job?

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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2015, 03:45:52 AM »
Jewel would be earning more for this release because she's releasing it independently, she'll only have to pay Sugar Hill Records a sum for the distribution but she would pocket most of the rest after she compensated the overlay of course.

It also depends on the artist and how involved they are with the music and production. I know she's not very popular on this board but Mariah Carey was rumoured to be earning $2.50 per album sale in the 90s on her Sony contract. She received $2 for every album sold and an extra 50c per sale for being the primary songwriter (regardless of whether you believe it or not lol). Artists who write, sing, and produce (Jewel) tend to earn more because they do more whereas someone like let's say Rihanna, or Katy Perry wouldn't earn as much royalties because they're involvement is minimal.

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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2015, 06:50:11 AM »
Right.

And I remember Thom Yorke complaining about how the record companies take most of the profits for themselves, anyway.  Radiohead made more money off In Rainbows than any other album of theirs prior to it, and that was the self-produced one they released with that whole Pay-What-You-Want model.  http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/did-radioheads-in-rainbows-honesty-box-actually-damage-the-music-industry

The sad part is that I don't think these independent models work for an emerging act, which means the current landscape still sucks for new music.

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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2015, 06:52:12 AM »
Wow for an artist like Jewel there really is little money in the music. I wonder if all the preorders on her website were counted toward the sales, wouldn't have made much difference in the end

I was thinking about this, too, while reading this post. I heard artists make like $1 an album sale (and that was in the mid 2000's IIRC). So, $32K for S&W and like $12K for PUTP.

Wow! I have a company that owes me somewhere around $12K for consulting r/n and I haven't billed them yet because I just haven't been able to get myself motivated to do all the paperwork for the invoice for that amount of money.

And, it was so weird seeing old albums from like when I was a kid (like AC/DC Back in Black) on there. I guess people just aren't really doing the whole listening to music thing any more? What the heck are all the kids listening to on those head phones that they're always wearing? Or is it all just pirated, these days?

I still buy like 5 albums a year.... which is about what I bought when I was a kid.

I just find these numbers amazing. How does anyone in music still have a job?
Right on, Code :thumbup:

This has been the #1 bitch about the music industry.  People can't understand how Jewel went broke.  The artist does get dollars on an album sale, sometimes.   There is a ton of overhead when putting out a new album, even when it's self-produced.  She foots the bill for everything.  And yeah, most of the music kids are listening to - is pirated.  Which is wwhy a lot of artists, have stopped making music.  It's similar in my idustry and why Hollywood writers bitch so much about being on the bottom of the food chain.

Things like, touring, promo shoots, head shots, lawyers, producers, studio musicians, studio time, tape (or whatever media she recorded to), contributing artists - Kip Moore (he's getting the royalties for PFF), Dolly Parton, Rodney Crowell, and any venue that she may have to cover costs for upfront whether seats sell or not.  Like, YWMFM - Poltz gets the royaties for it.  So she may be running her ass off, doing all these different shows - she has some big ass bills to pay, just to break even.  And don't forget management - which takes, at minimum 10%.

Putting out a book at the same time - just raised all those costs.  It's expensive being indie.  Trust me.  Thing is, at the end of the day, money aside - you have more creative control and input.  So, when you see things about buying music or indie/self-published authors, think about it - they're not selling out.  The vision in their head is closer to what you see.  There is more heart.

I'll stop ranting now.  Sorry, but I do it for a living, so I get rolling.

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Re: PUTP Sales
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2015, 07:10:14 AM »
Right.

And I remember Thom Yorke complaining about how the record companies take most of the profits for themselves, anyway.  Radiohead made more money off In Rainbows than any other album of theirs prior to it, and that was the self-produced one they released with that whole Pay-What-You-Want model.  http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/did-radioheads-in-rainbows-honesty-box-actually-damage-the-music-industry

The sad part is that I don't think these independent models work for an emerging act, which means the current landscape still sucks for new music.

The current landscape sucks.  Period.  You have to be able to do the math ahead of time.  Work out a model that will work.  And OMG - stop supporting crowdfunding projects for stupid crap.  I saw one for some woman who wanted plastic surgery.  She hadn't been in an accident or anything  :banghead:

Word of mouth is awesome.  It's the best way to get new fans.  Plus, what Jewel did.  Tour, tour, tour.  Be seen.  Now she relies on her fan base.  Stevie Nicks does the same thing - although, she swings back at the pirates.  And really, rightfully so.  Keep in mind also, the artist seldom has control over concert ticket prices. 

Bck in the day, a mix tape was an awesome thing.  You'd trade them with your friends and if you liked a song or group - you went and bought their stuff.  Now, kids don't do that.  They pass stuff around, sure.  But they don't support the artist.   :grandma: :thumbdown:

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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2015, 07:25:22 AM »
Funny you mention crowdfunding, because I think that's where the future of good art rests.

Up and coming acts get established on Youtube and Spotify and then they crowdfund their next project.  It's worked for quite a few acts!  If you think about it, it's really the old style of the arts business.

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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2015, 07:32:06 AM »
Funny you mention crowdfunding, because I think that's where the future of good art rests.

Up and coming acts get established on Youtube and Spotify and then they crowdfund their next project.  It's worked for quite a few acts!  If you think about it, it's really the old style of the arts business.

Yes.   :rofl2:

I meant crowdfunding for real artists and their projects.  Not lame crap.  I get annoyed with people just asking for money. 

And, at the end of all of this - don't forget TAXES!

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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2015, 10:31:50 AM »
That is the big advantage of making almost no profit, you pay less taxes... so no worries about that for Jewel  :P
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